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I am so angry after reading an article about a disabled Asylum seeker who is whining it the Disibility Now issue.
WHY

He says he came here to seek asylum because we (MUGS) will look after him as hes annoyed not getting help he needs.

The govermenat do not look after disabled people who were born here never mind asylum seekers.

How I would love to be able to seek asylum in another country where you are treated as equel does anyone know a country who will take me pay my bill, food, car and housing??

I have to live here and be verbally abused and stared at and made fun of everyday of my life and what do I get told your imaging things NOt my friendstell me when out with them people are taking the piss out of me for the way I look or try to speak.
Its about time we had a goverment wholooked after its own people first and give them some kind of life.
Instead of living in fear of that one deranged person who will think your an easy target.
 
Posts: 835 | Location: London England | Registered: 06 March 2003Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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aye aye aye, we have some amazing stories of people here illegally, never paid into our system at all but get several free services....school, medical and so on... too many to even touch........yikes.....
 
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Asylum-seekers “let down” by disability organisations
Sunil Peck
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Disabled asylum-seekers and refugees do not receive enough support from disability organisations, which are often unaware of their rights and entitlements, according to a new report*.

The report also found that asylum-seekers face significant barriers to accessing statutory health and housing services and benefits.

The report, which examined the disability-related work of refugee community groups and disability organisations in London, was commissioned by the Metropolitan Support Trust, which promotes independent living.

Neil Amas, director of City University’s information centre about asylum-seekers and refugees, which carried out the research, told a conference to launch the report: “The research shows there is a considerable support gap between the specialist refugee sector and mainstream disability sector.

“While refugee community organisations play a huge role, their resources are overstretched so do not meet the needs of disabled asylum-seekers and refugees.”

One asylum-seeker, Iman Saab, told the conference that she was not entitled to claim disability living allowance, was unable to get a job and had to live on supermarket vouchers and a small subsistence allowance from social services.

Jhon Marulanda, of the Latin American Disabled People's Project, said that benefits agencies and social services were often unaware of the support asylum-seekers and refugees were entitled to.

Although asylum-seekers wanted to do voluntary work or find jobs, immigration rules prevented them from doing so, he said.

Claire Glasman, from WinVisible, told the conference that immigration legislation had eroded asylum-seekers’ right to legal aid and support from local authorities.

The report’s recommendations include training in immigrants' rights for disability organisations, statutory services, the UK Border Agency and refugee community organisations; a review of the provision of interpreters; a Home Office review of support for disabled asylum-seekers and those refused asylum; and a review of how data is collected, to address the lack of information on the needs of disabled asylum-seekers and refugees

* Supporting disabled refugees and asylum seekers: opportunities for new approaches


Thinking Let's all be kind to the disabled and asylum seekers (they had a reason to seek asylum) and not use the uncaring attitude of others towards us fan anger towards these people.

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Oh Paul ,so sorry you are having a bad day and feeling angry . But I know where you are coming from and I agree the government need to look closely at things.People can be very selfish cruel and in certain cases deliberately hurtful, sometimes deliberately and sometimes without thinking .

My Paul does not have any facial disfigurement but has problems when speaking if his mouth is playing up and not moist enough, On Occasions his mother cannot make him out and asks the same dam question every time..."whats the matter with you son,I can't understand what your saying "! mind you she is 84 but hey, she knows the problems .We find the same in restaurants also Paul, as more often than not there is a wee slip betwen the cup and the lip and people make odd faces and whisper comments .

I have learned now to stare back and give one of my famed acidic smiles. In your situation if you are in the pub with friends that kind of behaviour would not be good as it would probably end up in a scuffle of sorts so I do appreciate the difficulty .

Try not to let theese selfish sods get to you Paul ,life has a way of teaching that kind of mentality in people a lesson and they will come to face up to it when they least expect it .

Wish we could take you out and cheer you up .

Cyber hugs ,

Bell and Paul
 
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Hi Paul
I can appeciate your anger. It's all well and good to think that people don't realise they are being hurtful but it still doesn't help your frustration and/or anger.
I remember one instance when our son was recovering from some surgery (and it was horrible stuff) associated with his cancer. We had the opportunity to go to the beach for a break and were having a great time. Aaron was on crutches (he was 18) but was determined to hav a good time. There we were at the beach and he and his younger brothers (7 and 9) were his assistants. They were trailing crabs and the water was probably waist deep. The younger boys would keep an eye on the spot where the crabs settled in the sand and Aaron would get himself there and jam the crab down with his crutch and catch it! I thought it was very inventive and was getting a lot of pleasure out of them having a great time together (it wasn't always like that ~ a lot of tension was associated with that boys' illness!). The next thing I see is this bloke in a group just down the sand from where we were sitting and he was getting the attention of all his friends and then said "take a look at that cripple/spastic out there. What does he thik he's doing waving his crutch around?'. I swear to you it took all my self control to refrain from gathering up the other crutch and bashing him around the head with it. Instead I simply mentioned that he was getting some pleasure out of his life which was currently an ongoing battle with the effects of cancer. That shut them up but hell I'd love to have slapped him one. Prick!
So Paul. Keep smiling and love the ones you love. We can't control what anyone else says, does or thinks so we just have to make sure we enjoy what we have control of.
I saw a fabulous sign on a little country church which I just love ~ Love your enemies. It'll drive 'em nuts! Easier said than done ~ however.
You just remember Paul that you are doing a fabulous job under dreadful conditions. You're a real champion.
Love
Deborah
 
Posts: 736 | Location: Willaston, South Australia, Australia | Registered: 09 July 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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I am NOT having a bad day.
Why do we give anything to this scum who come her to get what thy can?/
Would I get help if I seeked Aslyum in India!
I rest my case.
I worked and saved hard and now the goverment are screwingme for every penny why?
Because I paid my taxes ?
I did not scrounge off the state ?/
I was turned down for 2hours help a week to go to interviews, hospital etc where people cannot understand me???
Being disabled in this country means nothing if your not here illegally.
Then all the do gooder queue up to give help.
What about help for peole here and I know of many in more need tham me.

Paul
Paul
 
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Dropping off the social radar
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The numbers of disabled people seeking asylum in the UK is not known. But, as Sunil Peck reports, what is clear is that those who are here all too often fall between the two stools of social care and asylum support provision

Youcef Bey-Zekkoub is one of a hidden population of disabled asylum-seekers. He has come to the UK to seek refuge from persecution in his own country.

Bey-Zekkoub fled Algeria where he was beaten up and tortured during the civil war. He opted to seek asylum in the UK because he thought he would receive fair treatment from the authorities here.

But Bey-Zekkoub has had to fight indifference and even discrimination to access the support and services which he is entitled to while his application for refugee status is being considered.

“I suffered a lot and I even ended up in a psychiatric hospital because it got too much. I don’t regret coming here though, and I am hoping that something good will come out of this.”

As one example, Bey-Zekkoub is a wheelchair user but he only received a suitable chair three years after entering the UK, thanks to the assistance of the Spinal Injuries Association.

His experiences are typical of many disabled asylum-seekers. When he arrived in the UK in 2003, he sought information from disability and asylum support organisations.

“Asylum organisations see you are in a wheelchair and they get stuck, they can not handle it. I keep emailing and ringing them but they have no idea where to start.”

His local disability organisation was unhelpful and told him that as he was an asylum-seeker he should go back to an asylum support organisation for assistance.

Bey-Zekkoub now lives in a private flat and survives on around £40 a week from social services.

He says that the flat is a “nightmare”.

“I need to transfer myself into the bath and it is not really safe. The toilet is really tiny so once I go inside with my wheelchair there is no room left to transfer yourself. The kitchen as well, there is nothing I can use. Everything is too high, the cooker, the cupboards and the sink.”

He has complained to the council but the landlord will not allow them to adapt the property. Bey-Zekkoub’s status means that he is not entitled to live in social housing.

But he can not understand why, if his local authority is prepared to pay his rent, it will not allow him to find a more accessible property to live in.

When I speak to Bey-Zekkoub, he tells me that his fridge is empty and that fresh food has become a luxury. He is indebted to his college which has given him money to buy food from its hardship fund.

As Jonathan Ellis, director of policy and development at the Refugee Council, puts it: “Provisions for disabled asylum seekers are minimal. Asylum seekers are supported outside the mainstream benefits system, and are not entitled to disability living allowance. In some cases, where there is a need for specialist care, they will be allowed to apply for Section 21 support which is provided by the local authority under the National Assistance Act. However the threshold for this gets higher every year.”

Bey-Zekkoub’s immigration status means that although he does not qualify to receive direct payments to meet his care needs, his local authority does pay for him to have home care. He says that he has had a string of different personal assistants (PAs) which he feels causes a loss of dignity: “I don’t like having to show my bottom to so many women.”

Bey-Zekkoub can not understand why his local authority is happy to pay for him to receive support at home but will not give him the freedom to employ his own PA.

The number of asylum-seekers in the UK in 2007 was more than 570,000 according to the government, but there is no official figure for disabled asylum-seekers in the UK. What’s more, academic research into their needs is scarce.

In 2002, research published by the Joseph Rowntree Foundation found that disabled asylum-seekers were being denied support because of confusion among social services and other service providers about what they were entitled to.

While a second study in 2008 concluded that disabled asylum-seekers in London still encounter significant barriers to accessing statutory services for health, housing and benefits.

Claire Glasman, from WinVisible, an organisation which campaigns for rights for disabled asylum-seekers, says that the situation is getting worse and talks of a “climate of refusal” among service providers. Indeed, WinVisible campaigned on behalf of a group of disabled asylum-seekers who were being denied passes for free travel in London. Lambeth Council reversed its position after a legal challenge.

“Because successive governments have had a witch-hunt into so called bogus asylum-seekers, there is discrimination which affects every area.”

She adds that cuts to the legal aid system are also making it harder for disabled asylum-seekers to challenge discrimination.

Another disabled asylum-seeker, Iman Saab, is on the run from her family in Lebanon. They threatened to kill her after she converted to Christianity.

Unlike Bey-Zekkoub, she is happy with the house she lives in but it took months for her to secure the appropriate adaptations.

She does not have the right to take up employment but is desperate to gain refugee status so she can start looking for a job.

She applied for refugee status ten years ago and yearns to work as a fashion designer.

“I would like my papers so I can do what I want to do, I would like to be free. I would like to drive but I can’t because I don’t have disability allowances. I would like to work and do something to feel like I am human.”

She goes to college, but the main reason for doing so is not academic.

“I study because I like to go out and see people. If I stayed at home, I would die.”

She has been told by her local authority that although she finds it hard to propel a manual wheelchair, she is not entitled to an electric wheelchair because she does not claim disability benefits. She can not afford to buy one herself.

She says that she only got more than 45 minutes a week home care after ending up in hospital following a fall at home. She had been trying for seven months. It was arranged by the hospital social worker not the community worker.

Douglas Joy of the Disability Law Service says that this is a familiar story. He says that scant resources often mean that social services will be obstructive and do their utmost to avoid providing support to disabled asylum-seekers.

“In my experience, if a disabled asylum-seeker turns up at social services, they will be told that social services can not help them and that the National Asylum Support Service are the people that should be helping them, and they sort of fall down the middle.”

But although Saab and Bey-Zekkoub face a great deal of hardship, are they deserving of any more sympathy than the thousands of disabled UK citizens who also endure poverty and discrimination?

Claire Glasman thinks that they are. She warns that the demonisation of disabled asylum-seekers could set a dangerous precedent for disabled UK citizens.

“The way that people seeking asylum have been treated has been to attack the basic safety net which we all benefit from. Standards of respectful treatment and entitlement are basic for a caring society. It is a precedent for what could happen with us, because we are fighting welfare reforms where you have to prove that you are doing work-focused activity as a condition of claiming benefit, and if you don’t behave in a way which is prescribed to you then you are facing benefit sanctions. It is an attack on the expectation that vulnerable people should be looked after and not left to beg on the street.”

Angela Nhongo, a disabled asylum-seeker now living in Manchester, became so frustrated by her experiences of trying to secure support, that she decided to set up a one-stop shop to provide information for others like her.

Nhongo spent hours in her local library ploughing through books and leaflets researching the support she was entitled to. But she says that not everyone has the confidence to do what she did, and do things like find organisations who can supply access equipment like screenreading software and wheelchairs.

But while Nhongo is in a position to make the lives of disabled asylum-seekers easier, she is in no position to change the fact that disabled asylum-seekers are often left feeling like second-class citizens by service providers and disability organisations.

Glasman says that mainstream disability organisations must do more to reach out and engage with disabled asylum-seekers. But she says that disabled asylum-seekers need to be recognised as a group of people in need of support in the same way that disabled UK residents are.

“A lot of people are now objecting to the separate asylum support system, and are asking why people can’t be in the mainstream, and why people don’t have the right to work as well.”

She adds: “We would like people to be able to be re-integrated into the overall welfare system and not be treated separately.”


We have all worked to create a caring society in the U.K. (it is a model to others) to provide assistance to those who need it, but it isn't perfect and so sometimes things are unfair. We just need to make it better for all who are needing assistance (and I don't mean the bankers!)


Disclaimer: Please see your own dentist/doctor for a proper diagnosis as my words should not, in any circumstances, be taken as dental/medical advice.

"If you see what is small as it sees itself, and accept what is weak for what strength it has, and use what is dim for the light it gives, then all will go well. This is called Acting Naturally."
Lao-Tsu, Tao Teh King
 
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Here in the US we have very similar problems. My Rotary Club spent over $100K in money and countless hours of labor to paint and rehab a building we were told was going to be used for transition housing to get local people in our community off the street and transition them into a stable life.

Unfortunately, it has been filled with illegal immigrants who can now stay there for life - they have never paid a dime to help nor have any of them ever even volunteered to help us paint, hammer or landscpape. They are able bodied individuals who could at least volunteer. We still do feed the hungry every week and these same people come to eat but not clean up - once again any one can volunteer to help!!

Meanwhile, my mother who suffers from MS and is in a wheelchair and has trouble telling what day it is - she has to FIGHT at every corner to get some help. Her bathroom is not set up for her - neither is the closet, the kitchen, the front door....

The county had sent her a "helper" and I found out this person was just getting my mother drunk and stealing from her. My mother paid her taxes all of her adult working life!! She should get free housing for life instead of these others!!

I still volunteer there but it is sad and disheartning to see first hand how several abuse the system who have no right to be here.

I know you are trying to be kind Dr. Joshi and I can apprecaite that and I admire that as i said I am a regualr voluteer but you appear to not have been on the side of begging for simple services when you have paid your taxes only to be shut out while watching others take advantage.....and suceeding....
 
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I do symphasise with the disabled Asylum Seeks but we must put peole her first its no fair.
I visit a coulple who live in a very damp basement flat.
She is disabled and he is in a whelchair and they depend on help comming in,the husband cannot leave the flat only when the servises come to take him to hospital ect.
They are confined to this damp cold basement and this as been the case of many years now.
I am NOT really bothered for me but for the people who cannot or are not told how to get help and even then they feel invaded and bombarded with questions personal .


Paul
 
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I have only just seen these posts because I have been away since Sunday helping at a conference organised by and for people with learning disabilities (many of whom have physical disabilities as well). People with learning disabilities have struggled for many years to get their voices heard and to get the services they are entitled to. The theme of this years conference was "Keeping Healthy and Safe". Almost half of the people with learning disabilities at the conference said that they had been bullied while out and about in the community.

Next year they are thinking of running a conference about fairness so they can look at how people with learning disabilities are treated both in this country and other countries. I did not hear any of them complain that other people were getting things instead of them; they are more concerned about fighting for the rights of all people with learning disabilities.

Dr Joshi is right. We should be making things better for all people and not distinguishing between groups or picking one group off against another. It is by working together that we will win and get a society where everyone gets what they need.

Best wishes to all

Gwyn

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I think we need to keep pushing for EVERYONE with a disability to be treated fairly. If more people took action and reported all the layabouts who are healthy enough to be employed but prefer to fiddle the benefits system and work on the side there would be more money in the system for those who need help.

As for the ignorant idiots who stare and make comments &*@!! em all! Just stare right back then get on with your life! I have no time for morons out on the street. If the person being rude or insensitive is in a work role - a receptionist or waiter for example - I bring it to the attention of their manager.

Best wishes to all

Sheila
 
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Hi Shelia,I agree with you comments.
Its very difficult I find constantly having to say something when people look at me for whatever reason.
Fact I dont bother but feel bad inside, By the time I get the words out they have gone anyway hehe
Confused
Paul
 
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Dear Paul,
I can understand your feelings - but do me one favor - sit down and think for half an hour what would you have done if you were in the asylum seekers shoes.

You are a good friend - and thats the only reason I decided to post. I am not bothered about what is costs or anything - but to get asylum is a dream for many. Once again I say - dont think of your self as a Britisher - but were from some third wold - would youopt to stay in your country and suffer or go to a place, where you would get treatment -not the greatest may be but enough to survive. If their countries were as good or better do you actually think they would come - or you in their place would have left your own country to start a new life and to get abused by everyone? Its just a thought.

Think it over.
Take care,
Ananth


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