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Hi , Just a quick question about saliva & the dry mouth feeling,

does the saliva return after the radiotherapy and how long will it take to return also is there anything better than drinking water constantly to keep the mouth moist someone mentioned gel of some sort.
 
Posts: 1 | Location: Scotland - UK | Registered: 24 March 2006Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Hi Chris, I am currently having acupuncture treatment for dry mouth. Reasonable success to date. I believe that the return of saliva varies with most sufferers of dry mouth. U must accept that u may never fully recover your saliva glans. Regards Bill


Diagnosed with throat cancer March 2005
Surgery - April 2005
Six-weeks radiotherapy
 
Posts: 25 | Location: Plymouth, Devon | Registered: 10 February 2006Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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My Husband Ray used Biotene gel during radiotherapy treatment,the dry mouth now only occurs during the night.He also used biotene toothpaste and mouthwash.I'm sure its available on prescription.Worth a try.
 
Posts: 27 | Location: lincoln | Registered: 19 May 2005Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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To be honest Chris, there is no magic potion out there but there is a few useful aids. Its been nearly three years since my Radiotherapy and I still can't eat toast / sandwiches / dry foods without the aid of fluids after every mouthful but it has improved slowly over time.
But as Bill said, for most of us, we will simply have to put up with it as a long term side effect of treatment.
Biotene is ok at night but it does tend to make your mouth feel very sticky.
Another alternative is Glandosane.....which comes comes in a little pocket sized Aerosol spray and comes in Lemon and Peppermint flavours. I still use these occasionally when i'm out as they are more refreshing and easier to use than Biotene.
 
Posts: 199 | Location: West Drayton (Heathrow) | Registered: 03 February 2004Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Hello Chris

The mouth is often dry as a result of the radiotherapy. The taste (and saliva flow) does improve with time Smiler with everyone having some variability depending on the radiation dose and portals.

You can get Biotene samples of products that help with the dry mouth.You could also try sucking SST lozenges. Vicky has mentioned Salagen tablets that your doctor can prescribe to help stimulate saliva flow.

The vast majority of things you need to help you through feeding, gels and mouth washes are available via NHS prescription.

If you register and obtain a £32 NHS Certificate you can get most things for free which includes, Ensure, packs of 27 at a time, a full range of products for Xerostomia [dry mouth]
(Bioxtra Moisturising Gel; Glandosane; Luborant; Biotene Oralbalance Dry Mouth Saliva Replacement Gel; Saliva Orthana; SST lozenges, Saliveze; Salivix). Just ask your GP and get a three month certificate and stock up!

There is more information on what your GP can prescribe at these BNF links: Treatment of Dry Mouth and Foods which may be prescribed. Access to the text of the current BNF website requires registration (which is free) and login.

Best wishes
Vinod Coffee


Disclaimer: Please see your own dentist/doctor for a proper diagnosis as my words should not, in any circumstances, be taken as dental/medical advice.

"If you see what is small as it sees itself, and accept what is weak for what strength it has, and use what is dim for the light it gives, then all will go well. This is called Acting Naturally."
Lao-Tsu, Tao Teh King
 
Posts: 3779 | Location: St Luke's Hospital, Bradford and Pinderfields Hospital, Wakefield | Registered: 14 December 2002Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Sometime ago I came across a device from Saliwell Medical System that claimed to stimulate saliva flow. I have recently visited Viv Thomas's throat cancer blog. He describes a positive experience with it:
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A few weeks prior to the November check up an old buddy of Viv’s from Swaziland sent over a newspaper clipping of a new medical invention which helps people suffering from a lack of saliva. What is essentially a gum guard, this innovative piece of technology sends electronic impulses to the saliva glands to help stimulate them.

Obviously Viv was excited and very keen to find out more so got straight on the phone to the company responsible for the product – Saliwell Ltd who are based in Israel. After several discussions with the company he then had to go to the dentist so that they could make a form of his lower gum, much like a denture, this was then sent off to Israel. Some 6 weeks later Viv received a call from his dentist Isabel. She now had the device so it was time to see if it fitted in Viv’s mouth. Isabel warned Viv that there was a possibility that the device would not work due to the fact that the soft tissue around his saliva glands were almost certainly destroyed by the radiation. Undeterred Viv spent hours studying the instructions for the device and remained positive that it would work. The first time it was used Viv almost choked on the amount of saliva that had collected in his mouth. Having had a mouth and throat dryer than Ghandi’s sandal for the best part of a year Viv realised it would take some getting use to but he knew straight away the ingenious little gadget had enabled him to produce saliva again. This meant he could swallow easier and even spit on occasion, depending on which member of his staff had annoyed him the most.

Now Viv has been using the device for 10 days and is very pleased with the results. Initially Viv placed the gadget in his mouth for 10 minutes every 2 hours. Now he’s using it just 2 or 3 times a day. Any form of exercise dries up Viv’s mouth instantly so he always has a legitimate excuse to opt for the golf buggy instead of the cart. He still keeps a bottle of water in his pocket at all times more so as a kind of safety blanket but over all he has seen vast improvement. Food and wine is something Viv is really starting to appreciate again and each day it tastes better and better.

Anybody interested in the Saliwell Medical System, should follow the links. I know that the saliva glands will never be the same again, but this system definitely and is well worth investigating if you’re experiencing any similar problems. Good luck.


It would be good to know if others find it helpful.

Best wishes
Vinod Coffee


Disclaimer: Please see your own dentist/doctor for a proper diagnosis as my words should not, in any circumstances, be taken as dental/medical advice.

"If you see what is small as it sees itself, and accept what is weak for what strength it has, and use what is dim for the light it gives, then all will go well. This is called Acting Naturally."
Lao-Tsu, Tao Teh King
 
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I used Biotene but found normal chewing gum helped stimulate my saliva glands quite a lot. It's still not brilliant but it's bearable. Hagg.


13 years and still kicking it. Never give up your fight.
 
Posts: 886 | Location: Devon,UK | Registered: 27 March 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Hi there! long time no post!
I am currently having acupuncture for my dry mouth. It seems to work- i don't wake up in the night as much with that awful mucus stuck to the top of my mouth. Still have to have drink water with my meals but certainly not as much.
Also it has stimulated my appetite (unbeknown to me)so i am putting on weight now.
Can now drink white wine neat!
Cheers!
Anne
 
Posts: 165 | Location: Sutton Coldfield | Registered: 22 May 2006Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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My husband is just getting back into the swing of swallowing (the heaviest radiation was aimed at the base of his tongue/throat), so he hasn't been able to swallow much water yet.

He's finding the spray product Stoppers-4 Dry Mouth helpful during the day and at night -- compared to some other products, it doesn't have as much flavor added, which he prefers. (He also rinses his mouth with diluted Biotene mouthwash quite frequently.)

Susan
 
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Hi all,

Just a question for my knowledge - how many of you'll have a permanent stoma and how many have a temperory one?

Love,
Ananth


Live on your beliefs and strength- and you will become immortal.
 
Posts: 1181 | Location: NEW DELHI, INDIA | Registered: 15 February 2006Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Hi Mine as improved in the last 10 Months its still dry have to have a lot of gravy or custard with food some foods i cant eat

Doctor prescribed salagen tablets and i use
AS saliva Orthana mouth spray and bioextra toothpaste gel and mouthrinse

Dave and Sue
 
Posts: 508 | Location: Co Durham | Registered: 14 March 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Gravy is a definate no no for me it taste likes spoonfuls on salt to me Banghead
I am ok with sauces but cannt chew much so everthing has to be chopped up small.
I find I eat more when I chop it allup first.
I cannot understand howI am puttin gon weight as everything has to be thought about before I can et, cannot jusp pick up a banana or piece of choclate and eat eat it so wonder why im getting fat?
I stopped eating ice cream I was eating at least 2 litres a week but that was ages ago.
My taste buds seem to change from one meal to the next sometimes everthing is sweet or salty or acidy cannot win.

Paul
 
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Hello, I am a dental hygiene and therapy student am doing a project on oral cancer and wanted to know what help/information was given to you regarding your oral health during cancer therapy and the side effects? what help did you recieve from health professionals about your oral health? you can email me on ha07605@qmul.ac.uk
 
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hi there
its almost a year since my treatment ended and i am still suffering from a lack of saliva.i spoke to my oncologist and he said a year is still not very far to expect much improvent.i do have a little bit more saliva then i did at first but its still not enough biscuits or bread have to be washed down with a drink or it just gets stuck in my throat because of the dryness.i do find that chewing gum helps my mouth to stay a little moist especially if i am going out.otherwise i have to keep sipping water.i am still waiting for my taste buds to return.i miss food so much.at the moment i am having 4 rich tea biscuits and half a slice of toast a day,plus i have one feed via the peg daily.thank goodness for my daily feed i think i would have faded away if not for that lol.hope you get some relief sooner rather than later.love shirl xxx
 
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Saliva Substitutes: Choosing and prescribing the right product

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Disclaimer: Please see your own dentist/doctor for a proper diagnosis as my words should not, in any circumstances, be taken as dental/medical advice.

"If you see what is small as it sees itself, and accept what is weak for what strength it has, and use what is dim for the light it gives, then all will go well. This is called Acting Naturally."
Lao-Tsu, Tao Teh King
 
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