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Hi All

Has anyone experienced this following their RT? I have what I think is Hermittes Sign, not seen my oncologist yet to confirm but my symptoms read like a text book, was wondering how long it goes on for?

Nick

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Posts: 9 | Location: Yorkshire | Registered: 27 April 2010Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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What is L'hermitte's phenomenon?

L'hermitte's phenomenon, or sign, is the sensation of a very sudden pain like an electric shock that spreads from the neck and down the arms, spine and legs. It's usually triggered by flexing the neck - that is, bending your head down, chin towards chest. The sensation is short-lived, usually no more than a second.

How often the symptom occurs, and what other symptoms develop along with it, depends on the underlying cause, of which there are several.


Causes and risk factors

L'hermitte's phenomenon is a sign that something may be damaging the spinal cord (especially in the part of it that's composed of white matter, at the back of the cord). This damage is usually in the neck or region of the spine known as the cervical spine. But the symptom is very non-specific and says nothing about exactly where in the spinal cord the problem is, or what is damaging it.

The most common cause is arthritis of the small joints of the vertebra in that part of the spine, also known as cervical spondylosis. This can cause abnormal pressure on the spinal cord or the nerves coming out of it.

Other causes include:

  • Multiple sclerosis
  • Vitamin B12 deficiency (pernicious anaemia)
  • Tumours
  • Compression of the discs in the cervical spine following trauma
  • Radiotherapy to the neck
    Irradiation of the cervical spine may also evoke it as an early delayed radiation injury, which occurs within 4 months of radiation therapy.

But in many cases a specific cause for L'hermitte's phenomenon can't be found.


Treatment and recovery

It's important that L'hermitte's phenomenon is investigated by a specialist to pick up and treat any identifiable cause if possible, and limit or prevent further damage. But in many cases the tests (which may include X-ray of the cervical spine, MRI scans of the brain and cervical spinal cord, lumbar puncture and nerve signal tests known as visual evoked potentials) all come back negative.

When this happens, you should keep an eye on the problem and ask your doctor to repeat the tests if necessary or if symptoms worsen.


Past discussion of possible interest:Radiation induced fibrosis shoulder/ scapula pain


Disclaimer: Please see your own dentist/doctor for a proper diagnosis as my words should not, in any circumstances, be taken as dental/medical advice.

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Hi Nick,
I started to get the classic symptoms 6 weeks or so after RT. I had a lot of RT including coverage of lymph nodes in front of the top of the spine.
It was a shock because I was so unprepared for it. I'd get out of bed in the morning/afternoon/whenever (bad days for me at time!)- lean my head forward and have a nervous spasm down my spine and legs. Shocker!! So for a couple of weeks or so I thought the cancer had returned.
A visit to the consultant allayed my fears.
It lasted for quite a number of months (About 6) and then went gradually away.
History lesson over. - all the best Tony K
 
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Thanks Doc, and Tony glad to hear it went away, it's not bothering me too much, feels like when we used to put our tounges across a PP3 battery when we were kids! must admit when I started looking into it I panicked a bit when I read it is an early sign of MS but reading further it became apparent it is an after effect of head and neck RT, just couldn't find out how long it typically lasted.
I'm 6 months out of RT, still got dry mouth through the day and night and thick secretions in the morning but my taste is coming back slow but sure, I see you are a few years down the line now and wondere how are you doing on these matters?

Nick
 
Posts: 9 | Location: Yorkshire | Registered: 27 April 2010Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Hello again Nick,
I have got use to having very little saliva now. I feel like i have a mouth of cotton wool in the morning when I wake up and my speech isn't clear. I drink a lot of liquids and have a lot of moisture with my food.
(Gravy, sauces and the like).
My mouth and tongue are very sensitive to spicy foods. have to have mild curries etc.
I am used to all of this so it is no problem now.
All the best tony k
 
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