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Dear All

I received an email from Fulcrum TV asking for assistance for a TV programme. The letter below explains it. Pikeman and Pauline have given their views, and I would be interested to hear the views of the others. If anyone is interested in taking part, please contact Fulcrum TV directly.
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Fulcrum TV is currently producing a two-hour film for the UK’s Channel 4 in conjunction with the National Geographic Channel in America. The project follows the groundbreaking science of our expert chemist (a Wellcome Fellow) as he challenges the establishment view of how the Egyptians embalmed their dead. The UK television broadcast will coincide with the publication of a major scientific paper on the experiments.

If the scientist’s theory is correct, (which, following initial experiments, now looks certain) the Egyptians were chemists whose sophistication almost matches our own today. And the truth of their mysterious procedure will be shown to be far more complex and ingenious than previously imagined.

Once he has honed the embalming technique our expert will use his skills to re-create the most sophisticated and well-preserved mummies ever made by the ancient Egyptians.

We are currently keen to talk to someone who, faced with the knowledge of their own terminal illness and all that that entails, would nonetheless consider undergoing the process of ancient Egyptian embalming.

The ambition of the film is broader than the scientific detail; it will explore our present-day attitudes to life, death and the afterlife. Along with our expert, our volunteer will evaluate their own experiences and attitudes to death and the Egyptian ideal of eternal preservation.

Parallels will be drawn between the ancient Egyptians' extensive planning for death and our contributors' emotional, spiritual and practical preparation for the same fate. We hope that they will talk in depth about their past, their hopes and fears for death, their opinions on the afterlife and the legacy they hope to leave behind. The film will also involve the individual's consenting family and closest friends.

If you feel you may be interested in participating in the project or would like more information on what it might involve, please contact me, Gillian, on 0207 939 3175 or email gillian@fulcrumtv.com

Contacting me in no way obligates you to take part in the documentary.

Pikeman said:
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Should the project ever come to fruition it should prove to be a really interesting programme.

However, as far as my participation is concerned I must, in all conscience, give a resounding "NO".

My reasons as varied, but principally because I regard the body merely as a shell. The shell probably does containe the spirit the of life something which scientists have not yet identified.

Further, I consider mummification along with the freezing of bodies, and more bizarrely heads for possible revival at some future date as being the ultimate vanity. To me it's also a manifestation of mans inability to even consider the infinite. Our minds together with everything in our world are finite, some things being short-lived others persisting for periods of time which we cannot truly perceive. I could ramble on at some length and eventually get lost in my own arguments, but I'll spare you that agony.


Pauline said:
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Oooooohhher this made me feel ill! We are all terminal I thought, even
though cancer free.

I am pleased King Tut was done, but without the gold mask this kind of loses something methinks. If they'd throw in the gold gear it might interest me.

Anyway, would I want to be prodded apart in the third millennium by the fingers of every Tom Dick and Jerry in the name of a channel 3000 documentary? Frankly 'tis not to my taste. I think I have self analysed death and departing enough to know it's better just to try to live and be content with whatever that day brings.

I don't know what planet some of these TV documentary people live on.

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Disclaimer: Please see your own dentist/doctor for a proper diagnosis as my words should not, in any circumstances, be taken as dental/medical advice.

"If you see what is small as it sees itself, and accept what is weak for what strength it has, and use what is dim for the light it gives, then all will go well. This is called Acting Naturally."
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The ancient Egyptians have been a long interest of mine;and my views on life and death are just a journey, for nine months we are confined to the womb, that being our universe, then we traverse life in our human form, and up til the moment a critical illness appears most of us are quite unprepared for death; unless we have untold wealth or belong to some royal dynasty, we go along with life; however since having been confronted head on with death; I have been toying with the idea of having a really super coffin made; as most I have seen are rather shoddy; yes a strong oak coffin hand made for a craftsman, would do me fine,
 
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Hi Garance, I've read your comments with interest. In broad terms I do agree with your re. our preparedness for death.

What does fascinate me however is your wish for for a super hand crafted coffin Being out and out nosey I've just got to ask "Why?". After all, the coffin is either put down a hole in the earth to just rot away, or pushed into an incinerator and reduced to ashes. And the prices !!!!!

I've been very surprised at the lack of comment on this topic. I thought more people would have fairly strong views on, effectively, disposal of ones body following death.
 
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The aspect of this, that most disgusted me, was that these documentary makers, journalists, insurance companies and litigation experts etc., are 'trawling', yes TRAWLING websites such as this one, where there are cancer or other diseased people looking for 'stories' to satisfy 'their programme/project making needs' that keep them in jobs.

Who is sick. Not us! They are the sickest, sick, sick people IMO.

When I come to this forum it because I expect to meet like minded people in the same/similar boat discussing real issues of the illness. I don't think mummification ever will be a real issue of this illness.

The internet has done a lot to help people, but it has also given the media and others another area of human distress to feed off. Printing the letter just encourages them to ask more and more of forums like this.
 
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Hi Pauline
I see your point of view. That's why we created this "media" section on the message board so that they have a specific place to post their messages, which may be upsetting to some of our cancer patients. Although the media seem to "feed off human distress", by working together with the media we can achieve greater public awareness (it's tough to raise awareness without the media). Some members are willing to participate with the media so we also have to give them the opportunity to share their experience and story with the public, if that's what they want. I hope that this new "media" forum allows us to make sure that all potentially sensitive postings from the media are now posted here and not popping up elsewhere on the board. We don't want to upset anyone. Take care, Krishan Coffee


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I think this is a good section to have made Krishan. I know myself until these posts/incidents happen it's not always possible to know how to deal with them. Having this media forum section means those of us who want to ignore the mainly tasteless requests can just skip the section unless we feel very strong that day. Thank you and Vinod for all your efforts with this website and forum - it is appreciated.
 
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MUMMFIED na not me Roll Eyes
why would I put myself through the humilation of being put on display in a glass "Jar" amd thousands of people walking past saying "sure I have seen him somehwere before Banghead"
Paul
 
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Could Fulcrum TV possibly be any tackier? Why pick on us? Everyone dies eventually, and every cancer patient has some chance of recovery. The stupid question about mummification could be asked of anyone.
 
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Hi Pikeman, English oak , just because a have a love of hand crafted wood, I was not impressed on the shape of the Pope's coffin, I know it was an inner coffin, I thought they would have gone for a classic coffin shape.I would prefer to be buried in the middle of a bluebell wood.
 
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Could Fulcrum TV possibly be any tackier? Why pick on us? Everyone dies eventually, and every cancer patient has some chance of recovery. The stupid question about mummification could be asked of anyone.



Exactly!
 
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Hi Guys been reading your replies, Sorry not been aorund was in India and just got back,It was ok but spent 5 days indoors with swollen face another offset of the dreaded C.


I cant understnd the Fulcrum asking us this type of question we can all I am sure on here go into deep depression and worry whats going to happen to us when we die or plan our own funeral, I have in my mind
BUT it would be better using this energy which is sparse for Cancer sufferers to try and make today as painfree and good as it can be.

Paul
 
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Re Fulcrum TV, why can't we just use them as a platform to get head and neck cancers into the media, let's face it I am never bored with Bach (Music) but am very bored with media attention to breast cancer, as it gets all the lime light.
What do you all think????
 
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Garance, I'm with you on breast cancer. What's up with all the special fund raisers for breast cancer? Why not just 'cancer'? Plus, no offense, but you don't eat or talk with your breasts, they're just decorative, and the fake ones look better than the old ones anyway.

Your throat, on the other hand, has a lot of things that you would really rather keep.
 
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Hi Ron, have been to a group meeting today, most had had breast cancer, my parting shot was, well throat, head and neck cancers are a hidden agenda, but do you know more poeple die of those cancers than breast cancer! they were all amazed.
One or too well know actors have had throat cancer, Jack Hawkins
most of those guys on the Marlborough adds,
 
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Hi Garance, Jeff Boycot also had head and neck cancer. In fact I was in the same bed as he had been in in Cookridge. We both have had the same treatment.
Maurice
 
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