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Hi Michelle

Cost £4.2 million per scanner and between £800 to £1000 per scan

Dave and Sue
 
Posts: 497 | Location: Co Durham | Registered: 14 March 2007Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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Pet Scans done more often in States as they are a good money maker sorry to say ask Vickie Lynne Las Vegas

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But surely if cancers were detected sooner in the long run it would pay for itself. & less mistakes would be made. A c.t. scan showed nodes on my lungs which turned out to be benign. But they increased my chemo as a result of this scan and concequently i've ended up with nerve damage & i might not be able to have kids!. This wouldn't have happened if i'd had a Pet scan. & the NHS would have saved money on all that extra chemo they gave me! Banghead If it's good enough for America then why not here?


-~*Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds*~-
...Albert Einstein
 
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Michelle
Thats how i feel

In the States it as cut down on the number of operations, can monitor during Rt and Chemo

And as proved to be cost effective in the long run

Dave and Sue
 
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Michelle

PET scans can detect if its Benign or not

Take care

Dave and Sue
 
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Positron-emission tomography for surveillance of head and neck cancer
from Laryngoscope. 2005 Apr;115(4):645-50.
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RESULTS: For the detection of locoregional persistent or recurrent HNSCC, PET scans had a sensitivity of 82%, specificity of 92%, positive predictive value (PPV) of 64%, negative predictive value (NPV) of 97%, and overall accuracy of 90%. For the detection of distant metastases, PET scans had a sensitivity of 89%, specificity of 97%, PPV of 85%, NPV of 98%, and overall accuracy of 96%. PET scans of the head and neck region performed greater than 1 month after the completion of radiation compared with scans performed within 1 month had a significantly higher sensitivity of 95% versus 55% (P < .01) and NPV of 99% versus 90% (P < .01).

CONCLUSION: PET is effective in detecting distant metastases in the posttreatment surveillance for HNSCC patients. A negative PET is highly reliable for all sites. However, a positive PET in the head and neck region is unreliable because of a high false-positivity rate. PET of the head and neck region has a statistically significant risk of a false-negative reading when performed within 1 month of radiation.


Disclaimer: Please see your own dentist/doctor for a proper diagnosis as my words should not, in any circumstances, be taken as dental/medical advice.

"If you see what is small as it sees itself, and accept what is weak for what strength it has, and use what is dim for the light it gives, then all will go well. This is called Acting Naturally."
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Thanks Dr Vinod

Data not sure how to interperate

will talk to my ENT team

Dont know if its a good or bad thing

never been mentioned previous

Thanks for your time

Dave and Sue
 
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Hi All
Saw the whole ent team today happy with all my soreness and ulcers just what they expected

Brought up the mention of PET

offered to pay

they said it would be no good to me as it would light up like a xmas tree?????

Further discussions to take place

Dave and Sue
 
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Hi
I am to hbave a PET/SCAN priorto the start of my RT/Chemo and I hope that the scan will find the bastard that is in me , but it still doesn't stop the RT but it might mean that it will localise it to the main site (I Hope) any way I am having the scan on the 20th and start RT/C on the 23rd. I will post you or Deb will after my first lot of treatment
 
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Trev

Our thoughts are with you and family

we are here to help,listen and do anything we can to help you through this

Best wishes

Dave and Sue
 
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Hi Guys
I brought up this topic some Months ago when i asked and enquired about PET scans

I recieved a call to see my Oncologist who kindly took time out to see me and Sue in his office

They have offered me a Pet Scan on the NHS if we decide its what we would like to go ahead with

This scan is without me showing any reoccurence
which i thick is is really good

he also pointed out the different readings

True negative

False positive

That the could not give RT again which i knew
But im sure i read somewere in the us were doing trials

If a positive was there they would have to investigate biopys etc and a whole raft of information

He was very thorough

Would it not be better he asked to carry on improving than to put ourselves through that waiting times ect

our thoughts were if anything was there it would be better to find out now if it was small than latter if it was to large ?? but unsure of what they might be able to do
a scan would or could be carried out within 2 weeks

just wanted to know those who have had scans and what the results were

we are discussing this weekend

But the whole ENT team are very supportive and all agreed to this offer

My mind is whirling about a bit at present

Regards
Dave and Sue
 
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Hey guys,
Obviously the decision is ultimately yours but what have you got to lose?
You've been considering this for some time now & i think if you don't go for it you'll probably regret it & think 'if only'. Better to regret something you've done than something you didn't do i say!
PET scansa seem common practise in the states and there's lots of reference & discussions/debates on them on the Oral Cancer Foundation forum (the American version of our forum).
Fond regards,
Michelle


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...Albert Einstein
 
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Hi Sue and Dave
It was disappointing for us that Trevor's PET/CT scan didn't find the primary (even though we knew that was a possibility). At least what it did give us was a baseline should there be any future issues.
I think any nasties have to be 1cm to show up on the scan, don't they?
So, you might find out something or nothing and as Chelle says ~ what do you have to lose?
Cheers
Deborah
 
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PET/CT Reveals Occult Metastasis of Head and Neck Cancer


from medscape.com:
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NEW YORK SEPT 06, 2007 (Reuters Health) - Positron emission tomography-computed tomography using fluorodeoxy-glucose F 18 (FDG-PET/CT) provides early, accurate detection of bone metastases from head and neck squamous cell carcinoma, researchers report in the August issue of Archives of Otolaryngology, Head and Neck Surgery.

Dr. Brian Nussenbaum of Washington University School of Medicine, St. Louis, Missouri and colleagues evaluated 13 head and neck squamous cell carcinoma patients with FDG-PET/CT findings suggestive of metastases.

These patients were identified by retrospective review of data from 683 patients with head and neck squamous cell carcinoma who had undergone the procedure during initial staging or restaging.

All of the 13 patients lacked clinical symptoms of bone involvement and 9 had serum alkaline phosphatase levels in the normal or minimally elevated range.

Five patients underwent bone biopsy and 4 were confirmed as having metastasis. The fifth patient was found to have Rosai-Dorfman bone disease, a rare non-malignant condition, and was excluded from further analysis.

In the remaining 12 patients, FDG-PET/CT identified a total of 27 bone lesions. At the time of metastasis identification, 6 of the patients had no other identifiable distant metastatic disease and 2 of these lacked disease at any other site. The findings influenced therapeutic decision making in 5 patients.

The study "further shows the utility of obtaining PET/CT imaging for radiographically restaging patients with head and neck carcinoma," Dr. Nussenbaum told Reuters Health.

SOURCE: Arch Otolaryngology Head Neck Surg 2007;133:801-805.


Thinking :The study was retrospective and only looked at PET scans of patients that were suggestive of mets. A PET scan can show up asymptomatic mets. It influenced treatment of 5 of the 17 patients.

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Disclaimer: Please see your own dentist/doctor for a proper diagnosis as my words should not, in any circumstances, be taken as dental/medical advice.

"If you see what is small as it sees itself, and accept what is weak for what strength it has, and use what is dim for the light it gives, then all will go well. This is called Acting Naturally."
Lao-Tsu, Tao Teh King
 
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Positron emission tomography in surveillance of head and neck squamous cell carcinoma after definitive chemoradiotherapy. Head Neck. 2009 Jan 28. [Epub ahead of print]

Wang YF, Liu RS, Chu PY, Chang FC, Tai SK, Tsai TL, Huang JL, Chang SY.
Department of Otorhinolaryngology-Head and Neck Surgery, Taipei Veterans General Hospital and National Yang Ming University, Taipei, Taiwan.

quote:
  • BACKGROUND: We assessed the role of (18)F-fluoro-deoxy-glucose positron emission tomography (PET) in detecting head and neck squamous cell carcinoma (HNSCC) after definitive chemoradiotherapy (CRT).
  • METHODS: A prospective study presented 80 PET before and after CRT for 44 patients, including 44 first-time post-CRT scans performed between 12 and 17 weeks after radiotherapy completion, as well as 10 repeated scans in the subsequent follow-up. PET interpretations were compared with clinicopathologic outcomes.
  • RESULTS: PET demonstrated better performance than CT in post-CRT surveillance. Considering all 54 post-CRT PET scans, sensitivity for detecting primary tumors was 100%, specificity 93%, positive predictive value (PPV) 80%, and negative predictive value (NPV) 100%. For cervical diseases, sensitivity was 100%, specificity 98%, PPV 92%, and NPV 100%. For distant metastases, sensitivity was 100%, specificity 98%, PPV 86%, and NPV 100%.
  • CONCLUSIONS: Negative PET readings were reliable for predicting free of HNSCC and helpful for selected patients in post-CRT surveillance.


(c) 2009 Wiley Periodicals, Inc. Head Neck, 2009.


Disclaimer: Please see your own dentist/doctor for a proper diagnosis as my words should not, in any circumstances, be taken as dental/medical advice.

"If you see what is small as it sees itself, and accept what is weak for what strength it has, and use what is dim for the light it gives, then all will go well. This is called Acting Naturally."
Lao-Tsu, Tao Teh King
 
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